#409: Brené Brown — Striving versus Self-Acceptance, Saving Marriages, and More



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  • What people connect to/with Brené? 
    • Seeing her struggle with her research. 
    • Instead of being "here's what to do". She says "yes, this sucks". 
    • She likes the "play of the day", but she doesn't often make the okay of the day. 
  • How did you navigate where to draw lines and boundaries when you became a public figure? 
    • She's still working on it 
    • But grateful it didn't happen to her when she was younger. 
    • A working theory from her friend -" anyone that's trying primarily to be famous, doesn't generally have anything interesting to say". 
    • She's too self conscious to be a public person, so she didn't wanna be famous. 
    • She doesn't think it's her work, but it's her as a vessel for her work that resonates with people. 
    • It's her ordinary-Ness that makes her relatable. 
    • Tim:
      • In displaying of her fully imperfect self is extra ordinary. 
      • Whereas people like LeBron, there's no room for people to aspire to emulate that, cos it's so out of reach. 
      • But when she discusses her struggle, people relate. 
    • She gets to do extraordinary things, but she's ordinary. 
      • Like all of us 
  • This world is tough, because we shame and diminish ordinary. 
    • We chase the extraordinary, instead of being grateful for ordinary moments. 
    • Until hardship strikes. 
    • In the face of hard stuff (illness, death, loss) - we beg for the ordinary moments.
  • Example of her photoshoot for a magazine. 
    • "I earned every single one of these f-ing wrinkles and stretch marks" 
    • That ordinariness can almost be repulsive to people that haven't learnt to love it in them selves. 
    • These things are normally relegated to our "secret shame lives" 
    • People tend to believe that they need to divorce themselves from these parts of them selves. 
  • Where is the line between embracing ourselves and striving for excellence? 
    • Embracing your imperfections isn't giving up. 
    • Tim:
      • How can you be self accepting without becoming complacent? 
      • How can you be high achieving without being self abusing? 
      • He had trouble figuring out where the line is
      • Book - already free 
      • These 2 do not mesh, but you can make room for and use both. 
      • So the question should be "how can I make room for both striving and self acceptance?"
        • He schedules blocks of time for both and practices for both. 
      • He uses the five minute journal:
        • 3 bullets, what are you grateful for
        • 3 bullets for what made today great. 
        • These are generally small things. Tries to include at least 1 small thing, so that he doesn't become focused on the extaordinary things. 
      • It's about putting things for self acceptance in the calendar to make sure you make time for it. 
    • Brené:
      • I will determine the line, you will not determine it for me. 
      • If I'm not eating, working out and sleeping in a way that makes sense for me, I'm not satisfied. 
      • It doesn't matter what you think/say
  • Western psychotherapy - the developmental view
    • Look back at the outdated strategies that are patterns in your life that are no longer applicable/being overused. 
    • Take steps to improve or change your behaviors. 
  • On the Buddhist/awareness side - fruitional view
    • Effectively becoming and cultivating the ability to become OK with whatever is. 
  • There are different types of self acceptance. 
    • Tim spent most of his life hating himself - so there was a lot do self loathing driving performance. 
    • He viewed self acceptance as complacency. 
    • He's realized there is complacent self acceptance
      • Everything I'm doing is just fine, but I don't need to change anything. 
      • Self acceptance could be used to excuse complacency. 
    • There is a self acceptance that says "I'm anxious and afraid and angry etc. Because some things are happening in his life" and he can 
      • accept all those as true, 
      • For some of them could resolve to take steps to improve on them
    • There's a self acceptance that is:
      • Macro - I don't need to change anything
    • And a self acceptance that is:
      • Just truthfully accepting what your experiencing at the moment. 
      • You can be forgiving of whatever you're experiencing, while putting in place steps to improve whatever you're trying to improve. 
      • It's possible to do both
  • You can't truly change for the better in a lasting, meaningful way, unless it's driven by self acceptance. 
    • If your divorcing/hate parts of yourself, then you're gonna carry that unproductive and self defeating tension within you, even if someone is incentivizing you to change your external behavior. 
    • What you resist, persists. 
    • If you carry self loathing (even partially) with you, it's a loss. 
  • Brené has never come across a complacent person that is driven by self acceptance. 
    • Self accepted complacency doesn't exist to her. 
  • Naricissm:
    • They don't love themselves. 
    • It's the most shame-based of all personality disorders. 
    • It's about grandiosity driven by high performance and self hatred. 
    • The shame based fear of being ordinary. 
    • Nothing to do with self love. 
  • What differentiates us as a social scepies is:
    • The need to be seen, known and loved 
    • And the need to see, know and love others. 
  • Book - Tera Brock 
    • A great sage once said there's only one real question that matters and it's what are you unwilling to feel. 
  • What do you say to people that have put on armor and convinced themselves that there are certain emotions that are unsafe to feel. 
    • Pandoras box is closed right now, but are you under the impression you're living outside the box or inside? 
    • It's strange that you're inside the box and you brought me here like you want me to open it. 
    • We're not gonna do this without walking through deep and swift water. 
    • If it's super deep and swift, you need to work with a therapist. 
    • We all grew up and experienced varying degrees of trauma, disappointment etc. And we armored up. 
    • But at some point, that armor no longer serves us. 
    • Now the weight of the armor is too heavy and it's keeping us from being seen and known by others. 
  • This is the developmental milestone of mid life. 
    • It's not a crisis, it's a slow brutal unraveling. 
    • We realize that everything we thought protected us, keeps us from being the people that we want to be. 
  • There's 2 responses to this 
    • People decide they're not going to go through this process
      • They are ones that cause a lot of pain
      • It's much easier to offload pain than to feel pain. 
    • Those that do? 
  • Replace the armor with curiosity
    • Become curious about yourself, about the world. 
    • Curiosity is the super power for the second half of our lives. 
  • There's trauma for all of us, just different levels. 
    • The trauma message is "if you take this armor off, we die"
    • A lot of work to undo this is with a therapist. 
  • Book - the body keeps the score 
  • Tim's example of his friend who had a lot of issues and wasn't sure if he was ready to deal with it. 
    • What occurred to him was he was dealing with it
    • The question was:
      • Do you want to deal with it head on? 
      • Or do you want to have it come oozing out of the corners, where you can't contend with it in a direct or systematic way? 
    • "keep your shadows in front of you, they can only take you down from behind". 
  • You either develop self awareness or these things will control you. 
  • The process of becoming curious about your sub conscious programming can feel messy and terrifying. 
    • But not all change needs to take 20/30 years. 
    • With the right tools, prompts, accountability partners etc. 
      • Tim's girlfriend helps him. 
      • They schedule time to:
        • Tell the other person what they're doing well
        • What they think they themselves are doing well
        • And then ask for what they'd like more of. 
      • You can start to spot patterns. 
      • Then you begin to experiment with working on alternatives. 
    • There are resources that can be helpful - it's not like running a marathon blindfolded. 
  • It's gonna hurt - to be curious about this stuff - but the fear leading up to it is so much greater. 
  • Hacks that have saved Brenés marriage
    • 80/20 rule:
      • I'm terms of energy, patience etc. 
      • Saying marriages should be 50/50 is bull shit. It's never that. 
      • If one person is at 20, the other person should cover the 80.
      • Anytime they have less than a 100 combined, they sit down at the table and figure out a plan of kindness towards each other. 
        • You just have a plan where you don't hurt each other. 
        • E.g.: order out, get the housekeeper an extra day, cancel meetings with people you don't like. 
      • There's kid focused families, parent focused families and family focused families 
        • Brenés is a family focused family. 
        • The family agrees what will keep the family healthy. What works for them. 
        • The family is the system they serve 
  • Does everyone have equal vote for decisions? 
    • Nope. 
    • But they talk to their kids about everything - are very open. 
    • Parents have veto power - but they don't over use it. 
  • Theory on parenting - the best you can do is
    • A loving course from compliance to commitment. 
    • Kids need to do what you're asking out of compliance (don't run into the street, don't watch that kind of TV). 
    • If all you teach is compliance, without explaining the no's, they'll just go do it at someone else's house. 
    • But if you say yes every time you can and explain the no's, the kids will develop a commitment to the family values. 
  • She told her daughter - I'm not paying for your college, if you already know what you wanna be
    • You need to explore - take whatever class that's interesting to you. 
    • Learn who you are. 
    • Cos she's seen so many smart people that got on the engineer, lawyer, doctor path and were depressed. 
  • Is knowing what you don't wanna do more important than knowing what you do wanna do? 
    • Yes! 
    • You'll save the years of hating your job. 
  • Everyone that's done at least 1 service job is a better human being. 
  • 5 things Brené has changed her mind about on the last few years:
    • Further faster was her motto
      • How do you get further faster 
      • She self funded learning platforms and ways to scale the business, as she didn't wanna do what investors wanted. 
      • She's realized she's a slower closer type of person. 
    • Sobriety is a superpower
      • She's only missed drinking a few times in the 23 years she's been sober. 
        • Only when she's been super anxious
      • She's an abstainer , not a moderator. 
      • Big book - alcoholics anonymous book
        • One of the promises of sobriety is, if you stay in for spiritual condition and do your work, the gift of netruality. 
        • You're no longer running toward or away from the booze
      • She would attribute the success of her marriage, raising her family etc. To her sobriety. 
        • When shit gets hard, she stays in it. 
        • Don't try to dull or numb yourself. 
    • She changed her mind about getting bangs in her hair. 
    • She used to have a mantra of If you can't do it a 100%,dont bother
      • Even if you can't do it perfectly, do it
      • Perfectionism is the biggest procrastination tool. 
    • Changed her mind about sleep - super important. 
    • Changed her mind on functional medicine. 
  • 5 absurd, stupid things she's into
    • She's got some unprocessed problem with the British. 
    • She only watches movie trailers on movie night. 
      • Whole emotional rush and narrative without the commitment. 
    • Super competitive and bad trash talker. 
    • Obsessed with Rick beyoto videos on YouTube. 
    • Watched a lot of British crime procedurals 
    • Gogglebox - watch people watch TV. 
    • TikTok
  • 2 big things she's excited about for 2020
    • Taking a visiting professorship at Uni Texas. 
      • Bringing "dare to lead" to them. 
    • Podcast is starting - called "unlocking us" 
      • Excited about less travelling cos of this. 
      • Cos travel will eat you up. 
        • Tim likes the energetic conservation of having a nice routine 
        • "Routine will set you free" 
    • Excited about new work thing
      • 30% is leading team 
      • 70% is creative time
        • She'll use it to work on new research. 
        • Hard research on human experience. 
        • Working on a new book, writing more, podcast prep time